The John Titor Legend: An Update from Pamela


After reading my book Who Authored the John Titor Legend? Pamela Moore reached out to me.

Pamela is described in the book as follows:

No poster interacted with John Titor as frequently or as intimately as Pamela Moore. In addition to being one of the most frequent posters in both the Time Travel Institute and Post to Post threads, she also interacted with John over instant messenger (although never over the phone) and claims to have shared a deep bond with John.

Beyond this, Pamela also claimed that John Titor provided her with a “secret song” that could be used to verify anyone who’d come forward claiming to be John Titor. Most significantly, she claims that John Titor mailed her a piece of the IBM 5100 logo, and that while it came with no return address, there was an Orlando postmark.

The first thing Pamela set me straight on was that that she didn’t converse with John over Instant Messenger, but rather in UFO-themed chat rooms.  She also said that Titor mailed her a part of the “IBM 5110 label” not the “IBM 5100 logo.” Here’s a helpful discussion of the differences between the 5100 and 5110 models. She also sent me this picture of the label.


From there things grew considerably more interesting. First she clarified that the secret song John Titor provided her with is not actually a B-52s song, which is widely believed, given that the inscribed copy of John Titor: A Time Traveler’s Tale sent to her by the John Titor Foundation did include a B-52s song, which she tells me, was the song Trism.

She has to leave
She has to go
The fastest way
Is by trism
Steps off the curb
Stella Corona hopes for the best
To be home by sunset
Gotta be home by sunset

She asked me to give her a ride
She said she had to go
Dropped her off by the trism
Through the atmosphere by prism

Go trism
Go trism
Go trism
Go trism
Go trism

Gotta keep, gotta keep movin’ on
Gotta keep movin’
Gotta keep movin’
Gotta keep movin’
Gotta, gotta keep on

It was a human race to get away
And then back again
Like the sun bends light through a prism
She bends herself through the trism

In the smokey streets of the night
She pulls the lever and then bright light



She points out how this song, “speaks of a man time traveling in the night and gives this girl a ride, pulls the lever and sees bright light. This may correspond with the dream I shared with him [that] I had.”

She discussed this dream of hers in some length.

“Everyone thinks I started out asking John too many detailed questions when he came in 2000. But the truth was I had a detailed dream of a time traveler in 1998. I didn’t know exactly when I had the dream when I started talking to John in the beginning but I remembered that dream. The questions I was asking him and his answers are what I saw in the dream so I kept asking detailed questions. By then I was intrigued by him. In my dream I was in a car time traveling with a man where what he described […] exactly matched my dream. Later before he left he said he had to stop in April of 1998. I went and grabbed my note book and at the top was the date April 1998. My mouth dropped then I told John about my dream.”

What intrigued me most was something Pamela had to say about the faxes sent to Art Bell in 1998 that bare a strong resemblance to the John Titor story.

The First Fax to Art Bell – Read on Coast to Coast AM on July 29, 1998

“Dear Art,

I had to fax when I heard other time travelers calling in from any time past the year 2500 AD. Please let me explain.

Time travel was invented in 2034. Off-shoots of certain successful fusion reactor research allowed scientists at CERN to produce the world’s first contained singularity engine. The basic design involves rotating singularities inside a magnetic field. By altering the speed and direction of rotation, you can travel both forward and backward in time.

Time itself can be understood in terms of connected lines. When you go back in time, you travel on your original timeline. When you turn your singularity engine off, a new timeline is created, due to the fact that you and your time machine are now there. In other words, a new universe is created.

To get back to your original line, you must travel a split second father back, and immediately throw the engine into forward without turning it off.

Some interesting outcomes of this are:

One, you meet yourself. I have done it often, even taken a younger version of myself along for a few rides before returning myself to the new timeline and going back to mine.

Two, you can alter history in the new universe that you have just created. Most of the time, the changes are subtle. Sometimes, I’ll notice car models that don’t exist, or books that come out late.

The oldest one was a skyscraper that wasn’t built in a near favorite store of mine in New York.

Interestingly, when you travel in time, you must compensate for the orbit of the earth. Since the time machine doesn’t move, you have to adjust the engines so you remain on the planet when you turn it off. Unfortunately, it was also discovered that anyone going forward in time, from my 2036, hit a brick wall in the year 2564.

Everyone who has ever been there has reported that nothing exists. When the machine is turned off, you find yourself surrounded by blackness and silence.

Now, most time travelers are trying to find out where the line went bad by going into the past, creating a new universe, and proceeding forward to see if the same thing results in 2564. It appears the line went bad around the year 2000. I’m here now, in this time, to test a few theories of mine before going forward.

Now, for the future you might want to know about.

One, Y2K is a disaster. Many people die on the highways when they freeze to death trying to get to warmer weather.

Two, the government tries to keep power by instituting Marshall Law, but all of it collapses when their efforts to bring the power back up fail.

Three, a power facility in Denver is able to restart itself, but is mobbed by hundreds of thousands of people and destroyed. This convinces most that maybe we shouldn’t bring the old system back up.

Four, a few years later, communal government system is developed, after the constitution takes a few twists.

China retakes Taiwan, Israel wins the largest battle for their life, and Russia is covered in nuclear snow from their collapsed reactors.

Art, the reason I’m here now is because I believe a nuclear weapon set off by Iraq in the Middle East war with Israel might have something to do with the damaged timeline. I will test that theory and get back to you.

Please pray that we discover the reason why there is no apparent future after 2564.”

The Second Fax to Art Bell

“Dear Mr. Bell,

I am glad you’re back. I faxed this information to you the day before you left the air. I wanted to make sure it wasn’t lost in the shuffle so I am sending a gift. If you’ve already seen this please accept my apologies. If you choose to make this public please do not publish the fax number. I had to fax when I heard the other time traveler calling in from the recent time past in fact the year 2500 Ad.

Let me explain, Mr. Bell. I sent a fax with this opening on July 29 1998. As I said then I am a time traveler. I have been on this world line since April of this year and I plan to leave soon. Typically time travelers do not purposely affect the world lines they visit. However, this mission is unusually long and I’ve grown attached to some of the people I have met here.

Anyway, for my own reasons I have decided to help this world line by sharing information about the future with a few people in the hope that it will help their future. I am contacting you for the same reason. Unfortunately there is no historical reference to your program in my worldline.

I believe you can change your future by creating one now.

Some of the information presented on your program may be invaluable to up-line researchers. I suggest you isolate the programs that concentrate on military technology and new physics theories. Transcribe these programs and put them someplace safe away from the box. I recommend someplace in the midwest.

I also urge you to reconsider your paranoia to the Russians.

They are not preparing for war with the average US citizen. They are preparing for war with the US government. They will eventually save this country and the lives of million of Americans.

I realize my claims are a bit difficult to accept so I will send the following once I know you have received this fax. A few pages from the operations manual of my time machine. And a few colored photographs of my vehicle.

If you wish to contact me I will be happy to share with you the nature of time, the physics of time travel and some of the events of your future.

Please send a return package to…”

While these faxes provide a slightly different narrative than the John Titor posts, there are many similar aspects. Joseph Matheny, who has taken credit for the story, says they were a proto-attempt at telling the story. Others believe it could be an alternate John sent back from an alternate 2036.

Pamela believes as follows:

“One thing about the faxes that was so bizarre is not one single person remembered them in 2001 and yet they were obviously only a few years old from 1998. No one made the connection when John was here. Not even the diehard time traveler Art Bell fans. You’d think at least one of those people would have remembered about them. They were not even found until John left. Like they magically just appeared in the timeline.”

She also discussed her ongoing relationship with the person claiming to be John Titor’s mother, Kay, facilitated entirely by Larry Haber:

“The latest package I received had several things in it. A letter from Kay. A letter from John. An album with a record inside and a CD with some songs on it but I’m keeping what was on it secret because I am not really sure why he sent those to me.  I more than likely will find out later. I received it in September of 2016.

“Kay’s letter was just a nice personal letter. Thanking me and apologizing she couldn’t be more communicative with me but fear kept her back. And that John wanted this package sent to me before he left. That’s about all I feel I can reveal in her letter.

“John’s letter was a two page letter in a separate sealed envelope. It was written on nice stationary in pencil. With only the name Pam written on the outside. The first paragraph is as follows:

Dear Pam,

Over what has been fifteen years I’ve considered you to be a dear friend who deserves the best explanation I can give. You should know that your efforts played an important role in allowing me a chance to get home.”

“He then went on to explain how I was communicating with more than one John. That other Johns may arrive and they need the posts to stay up as long as possible.”

Pamela says this correspondence with John was written in a style similar to the Letter 177 Tempus Edax Rerum video that was posted to YouTube by Larry Haber.


“It sounded like the same person who wrote the letter also did the audio Larry Haber put up. The one that starts out ‘I am the man you know as John Titor….’ I want to share it with others but I just don’t know if he would have approved of it. But if you heard that audio of a John Titor this letter sounds very similar and I think the same person who did the audio wrote the letter.”

Pamela remains open-minded as to whether or not this was the original John she spoke to, an alternate John, or someone else entirely.

“I have to say he does seem a little different than the John I spoke to. But I honestly don’t know what that means. I am older. He may be a different age also. The John that I talked to before just seemed so much closer to me. For example this John just ended his letter with ‘thanks!’ The other John ended his final letter with ‘I thank you from the bottom of my heart. You will always be a true friend.’ (That’s just an example I can’t remember the exact words.) It’s just different.”








5 thoughts on “The John Titor Legend: An Update from Pamela

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  3. I’ve always assumed Kay was a creation by the hoaxers. An easy scapegoat they could constantly blame for the need for secrecy and stuff, and a good tool to expand on the story. From what you’ve written here, that could be the case. Larry and Co seem to be feeding Pamela new information and plot points, and then she goes and disseminates it. Did they ever give her the real song?

    And I also have had my suspicions about Pamela. Isn’t it known that a lot of the people asking John questions were plants by the hoaxer group? Could Pamela be another character used by the Titor hoax group? Have we had confirmation she is a real, normal, unrelated, person?

    On a different note, in an interview from last year, I think, Jimmy Church claimed to know, for a fact, what’s going on with the John Titor legend these days, the reason why no one can come out and admit to it. Have you hard about this developing any? Has he said something?

    The story is very dense, and I haven’t been keeping up these past years! Sorry if I’ve said anything already answered a million times over.

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